interesting comments and terminology... Only a couple comments back.
The pledge won't get people to Heaven, nor will the Ten Commandments. But neither will church, or obeying God's commands.. SO to hell with them too?? I'm only kidding.
I think I completely understand where you are coming from, Jon. But I for one would like our nation to protect freedom of religion and the freedom to worship freely. And I'm not sure if you would agree, but I'm sure we can all see that the current trend is leading toward no freedom of religion and no freedom to worship. I mean we'd have to have our heads in a dark place to not know this is happening. The Bible speaks of a one world religion,,,, doesn't it? I would choose this country over China anyday, who' with me?
I think i understand what you said (even with your big words and phrases) but we just don't agree on all of it.
PEACE
Friday, September 23, 2005
Wednesday, September 21, 2005
Re: Jon's Comments
I'm not saying that the constitution was written with scripture to back it..... there are churches who's doctrines can't be backed by the Bible. I'm saying that it was written by Christian men and reflects their Christian principles.
Don't be silly, yes America was under God before 1954.. You tell me, does the fact taht we start admitting something that always was, mean that it wasn't so before that point?
Jon mentioned....
Our lives are not the proof that the pledge is good. If that were the case, we should outlaw the Bible. A man gets up in the morning, reads his Bible, goes to work, on his way he hits another car, they get out and the Christian man beats up the other man. So much for the Bible,,,, What good does it do society???
The highschool boy and girl analogy is not proof that the pledge is 'worthy of being outlawed'. How can anyone expect every one who recites the pledge to act according to the Bible? We CANT! That absolutely true. So to day that a boy gets a girl pregnant and she gets an abortion after saying the pledge is evidence that the phrase 'under God' has not helped society, is not relevant.
The rest of the points raised don't warrant a response from me. I'm not concerned about history, I'm talking about today. I want my children and grand children to be able to worship God freely in this Country, don't you? If you do, we'd better start praying we keep as much mention of God legal as possible!! Just so I know your position,,, (in a breif reply) What do you think of taking the 10 commandments off of public buildings and property? You repsonse will help me understand your position on the pledge. Thanks Jon.
Don't be silly, yes America was under God before 1954.. You tell me, does the fact taht we start admitting something that always was, mean that it wasn't so before that point?
Jon mentioned....
A high school boys says the pledge in the morning, claims to be "Under God." He gets his girlfriend pregnant in the afternoon. A month later, she says the pledge in the morning, gets her abortion in the afternoon. How is our nation acting as if it is "Under God?" How has that phrase helped our society?
Our lives are not the proof that the pledge is good. If that were the case, we should outlaw the Bible. A man gets up in the morning, reads his Bible, goes to work, on his way he hits another car, they get out and the Christian man beats up the other man. So much for the Bible,,,, What good does it do society???
The highschool boy and girl analogy is not proof that the pledge is 'worthy of being outlawed'. How can anyone expect every one who recites the pledge to act according to the Bible? We CANT! That absolutely true. So to day that a boy gets a girl pregnant and she gets an abortion after saying the pledge is evidence that the phrase 'under God' has not helped society, is not relevant.
The rest of the points raised don't warrant a response from me. I'm not concerned about history, I'm talking about today. I want my children and grand children to be able to worship God freely in this Country, don't you? If you do, we'd better start praying we keep as much mention of God legal as possible!! Just so I know your position,,, (in a breif reply) What do you think of taking the 10 commandments off of public buildings and property? You repsonse will help me understand your position on the pledge. Thanks Jon.
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